HomeMy WebLinkAbout09/21/2004 MINUTES
Minutes for
Planning Commission Meeting
September 21, 2004
I. Call to Order
Commissioner Buckingham
The meeting was called to order by at 5:37 p.m.
II. Roll Call
Those present were: Commissioner Cockburn, Commissioner Kennedy, Commissioner
Kosusko, Commissioner Nelson, Commissioner Streissguth, and Commissioner Buckingham.
Quorum certified.
III. Approval of Agenda
Commissioner Buckingham introduced the agenda. Chris Hugo added to the agenda Section V.,
“Public Meeting”, item B-5, a short informational discussion of an ordinance which has been
prepared by City staff pertaining to revising provisions of the Critical Areas Ordinance relating
A motion was made by Commissioner Nelson and seconded by
to appeals and enforcement.
Commissioner Kennedy to approve the agenda as amended.
Called for a vote: Cockburn:
Yes; Kennedy: Yes; Kosusko: Yes; Nelson: Yes; Streissguth: Yes; Buckingham: Yes. The
motion carried.
IV. Approval of Minutes
The minutes of the Regular Meeting held on July 20, 2004, were presented for approval by
A motion was made by Commissioner Kosusko and seconded
Commissioner Buckingham.
by Commissioner Streissguth to approve the Regular Meeting Minutes of July 20, 2004 as
presented.
Called for a vote: Cockburn: Yes; Kennedy: Yes; Kosusko: Yes; Nelson: Yes;
Streissguth: Yes; and Buckingham; Yes. The motion carried.
V. PUBLIC MEETING
A. Call To The Public.
(public comments on any item not on tonight’s agenda)Seeing
Commissioner Buckingham
none,closed this portion of the meeting.
B. Public Hearing: Paul Rogerson, Planning Manager
, began the Public Hearing portion
of the meeting. Paul brought to the Commissioner’s attention that by Thursday,
September 23, 2004, staff will have presented the Comprehensive Plan to all Council
Districts. On August 19, 2004, the Comp Plan had been presented to Districts #1 & #2;
on September 14, 2004, the Comp Plan had been presented to District #3; and on
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September 16, 2004, the Comp Plan had been presented to Districts #6, #7, #8 & #9.
Districts #4 & #5 are to have the presentation on Thursday (September 23). Staff’s
impression of all the meetings is that the Plan has been met with widespread approval –
there has been virtually no negative comments regarding the Comp Plan. Commissioner
Streissguth added that, in addition to the presentations to the Council Districts, staff has
also completed a series of presentations to the Council. She noted that feedback from the
Council has been very positive and supportive with them complimenting the Community
Development staff and the Planning Commission on several occasions on the Herculean
effort needed to complete the Comp Plan process. She also reminded all of the
Commissioners that the last district meeting was coming up and she encouraged everyone
who could attend to do so. This is a regular district meeting, but the presentation of the
Comp Plan is the only item on the agenda. The meeting will take place in the Council
Office in City Hall on Thursday, September 23, 2004 at 7:00 PM.
Paul
commented that the Council members often help defend/explain the Comp Plan at
Chris Hugo, Director of Community Development
the District meetings. , noted that
one of the best indicators of a well-designed process is when people at the elected official
level show ownership before they vote on it; they respect the process they’ve observed
and therefore they will stand up for what the product is. GMA expects that a good
inclusive pluralistic process is designed up front and also expects that that process will be
respected by the elected officials at the end. Jurisdictions that don’t have a good process
get into an eleventh hour situation where they may face a mandate that says they will
behave a certain way but are also in a political setting where they may refuse and that’s
where jeopardy comes in; it looks like Bremerton is avoiding that situation.
Chris
thinks it’s interesting that Council President, Daren Nygren, questions how these
great ideas work and how they are paid for, particularly on the Capital Facilities side.
There is an idea about growing in a certain way but also there is an expectation from the
public process about what the character and quality of that growth is, particularly in
improving urban service delivery and having conveniences and amenities that start with
public sector investments. In the Capital Facilities element, we know that the projects
listed from the first 10 years of GMA exceed the historic funding available. That means
that, even though GMA is built on the discipline of only drawing as well as you can pay
for growth, planning is still being done where what is planned exceeds what can be
afforded. Daren Nygren questions that process; if that 20-year budget can’t be balanced,
every year you go down that path you lose traction on maintaining quality of life and the
ability to provide services that the public expects in any way that’s affordable. Chris
continued:
“As we continue down this path we will learn more and more about this and just
hope that we’re not facing that same kind of thing. We rely on other
departments telling us what they need to support these growth patterns and what
that will cost – what their facility needs are. When they do that, they should go
through a process of saying, along with our financial people, “OK, we need
these facilities – how do we pay for them?” Is it out of the 27,000 new tax
payers that we expect to get? Just residential taxpayers don’t tend to pay the
way so this is where there is some distraction in all of this that eventually
catches up and what we’ll continue to work on year after year after year is fiscal
reality behind these ideas. One thing that is pretty certain is, maybe as difficult
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as it is to face this kind of disconnect between cost and good planning and
development, doing it the way we have been with no connection between the
cost of services and the Capital Facilities budget and Land Use patterns which
are demonstrably very costly to serve. The one we’ve been on for the last 50
years was a train wreck and now maybe for a while the train wheels will be
wobbling, but things won’t be falling off the track quite as often. The ultimate
intent is that as we continue to learn and get more discipline in our planning and
spending and get a better connection between how we develop and how we
serve, that as we go down this path another five or ten years we’ll finally get a
nice running train again. We’re coming out of a long history of having very
little discipline and therefore we continue to lose on a lot of level of service
values that we have where things continue to go down and down and down. It’s
interesting that the council understands that and we spent quite a bit of time
talking about that and how knowing what you want in a Capital Facilities
element and setting a level of service coming out of the public planning process,
how that drives that Facilities and service needs and becomes the real big
obligation of government under GMA.”
Commissioner BuckinghamPaul
moved on to the Draft Zoning Code progress report.
responded that staff had been working to prepare “initial zoning” for the most crucial
aspects of Comprehensive Plan implementation. Staff has completed preliminary
chapters for the residential zone (“R-10”) which covers the largest proportion of land in
the city (this zone is made up of zones currently named SF-1, SF-2 and SF-3), as well as
chapters for the Wheaton Way Redevelopment Corridor and the Kitsap Way Corridor,
and is working through the process of what to do with zoning for the centers. There will
be more information in the next few weeks as to the progress on the centers; the initial
idea was to have zoning chapters to present to the Planning Commission such as a
Neighborhood Zone chapter, a District Zone chapter, an Employment Zone chapter, etc.
There is ongoing discussion on how these additional chapters are to be presented. Paul
did not bring to tonight’s meeting the draft copies of the completed chapters as staff has
more “fine tuning” to be completed before releasing the documents. Paul assured the
Commission that the chapters concerning Residential, Wheaton Way Redevelopment
Corridor, Commercial Corridor, etc. are all going to be very standard zoning chapters that
the Commission will readily recognize in form and format.
Chris
added that the R-10 zone is going to combine all of the low density zones into a
new 5 – 10 unit per acre zone, hence the “R-10” label, with a minimum lot size of 4,350
square feet and a maximum lot size of 8,000 square feet, unless you are in a critical area.
At this time under zoning, GMA non-compliant one-acre lots are allowed. The new
zoning will prevent the City from challenges based on substance. Multi-family zoning,
unless they are associated with a centers designation, will also be absorbed into the new
R-10 zone. Because this change will take a lot of work at the local level with landowners
and businesses, the proposed strategy is to do some initial “free zoning” where there will
be a continued opportunity to do some types of non-residential development in the
centers, but not up to the intensity that might have been historically considered; there
won’t be any moratoriums, but there will be some restraint on the ability to implement
any large projects before the framework is in place, then the door will be opened to
considerably more intensive projects. The reasoning behind this process is to reduce the
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chance of foiling the objective of a true center development by constructing something
more traditional such as free-standing commercial building with a large parking lot.
Chris assured the Commission that the initial zoning package should be available for the
next Planning Commission meeting (October 19, 2004); the hearings will begin shortly
after that. Whatever else that can be accomplished along with the Comp Plan will be
completed and adopted by December 2004; it’s expected to have enough finished so, at
the least, the consistency issues with GMA will be addressed. Staff will continue to
refine the zoning package through the winter and into the New Year. Chris commented
that he could envision this type of work continuing for the next three years with zoning
implementation, design review and urban design mechanisms for downtown and centers
that would go beyond the basic centers framework. He used Spokane as an example of
the length of time needed to convert to a centers plan; Spokane adopted the centers plan
in early 2001 and they are still working on the same issues Chris mentioned.
Commissioner Streissguth
asked if the Commission should talk about the hearing
schedule and how many hearing should be expected if they are anticipating draft hearing
Chris
ordinance in November; would there be a need for Special Meeting? explained
that even though the draft hearing ordinance will not have the extensive public comment
review process, the zoning code is going to mimic a lot of the language in the [Comp]
Plan, for example the density ranges, the redirection of multi-family in the centers, etc. so
the information presented should not be new to Council. The next meeting is October
th -
19with the draft being presented to Council in November there was concern about
Paul
having enough time to be fully prepared before sending the draft to Council.
anticipates there would probably be a need for a workshop discussion of the draft before
sending it to hearing. He thought this could be accomplished at the next regular meeting
th
(October 19), then meet again the following week. He didn’t remember the exact date
but thought that Council met during the second, third and fourth weeks of the month and
Commissioner Buckingham
that would give the Planning Commission a bit more time.
Paul
asked if there was a specific date the draft had to be in to Council. responded that
staff had compiled a tentative schedule showing a series of public hearings at the council
level for the entire package: Comprehensive Plan, the initial zoning package, SEPA, etc.
and if Council meets the second week of November and they complete the hearing
process in three weeks, it will keep the package on schedule for adoption on December
st
1. Paul cautioned the Commission that even though the goal is to reach adoption by
st
December 1, there is always the possibility it will take longer because of the public
Chris
process. promised the Commissioners they would be e-mailed the schedule Paul
spoke of plus additional information regarding a possible workshop and special meeting
Commissioner Streissguth
and scheduling a hearing one or two weeks after that.
commented that she would be open to having a special meeting/workshop the week
th
before the next regular meeting (October 12) as opposed to the week after to give more
time in the event of public hearings that may encroach on the time allowed. She was
concerned because of how close to November it already was, plus the added factor of the
Thanksgiving Holiday falling within that time frame. It was Chris’ opinion that the
Planning Commission’s work on this package is to be completed by the end of October,
although the Commission may be on the Council’s agenda in November.
Commissioner Buckingham
continued the meeting with discussion regarding the
Chris
Critical Areas ordinance update process. proposed combining Agenda items #3
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and #5. He distributed draft copies of the ordinance which include changes that the
Dri Ralph, Environmental Planner
City’s legal staff and , have decided is necessary.
Chris
explained that this was a housekeeping measure to deal with the process of appeals
and enforcement within the changed Hearings Examiner environment that were not
caught the last time staff went through the more current procedures. Also, staff removed
the wording in §21.22.310 in the ordinance giving the Director and authorized agents
authority to enter upon privately owned land for the purpose of performing their duties
(please refer to the copy distributed by Chris for a full description). The other items
changed do not relate to the rules of critical areas or developing and are purely
informational to the Commissioners. The Critical Areas Ordinance update is due on
December 1, 2004. Chris commented that the one thing he learned while attending the
annual statewide Planning Director’s conference is that he has at least 60 or 70 colleagues
who all feel like he does; that there are not enough people to do everything the State
demands [the jurisdictions] to accomplish; very few are able to keep up with the huge
amount of mandates. Anything that the Director feels won’t be completed by the
statutory deadline will be included in a resolution for Council to adopt which will put
forth the remaining mandates to be completed with a detailed outline of how it will be
accomplished. Chris speculated that [the Critical Areas Ordinance] may be one of those
mandates that will not be finished by the statutory deadline; the Comp Plan and the
zoning code will be finished on time. Chris used the crematory that is being proposed in
West Bremerton/Kitsap County as an example of the large amount of updating and
housekeeping that is needed – more than likely the County had not looked at the zoning
in that area for 20 years. At this time that area is zoned “Highway Tourist Commercial”
which one would think would include motels, gas stations, convenience stores, etc., but
not a crematory. Chris also questions the compliancy of the crematory with the County’s
Comp Plan as well as the location of the site as it is ½ mile away from the interchange.
He feels that this area has been neglected because it’s not close to anybody else. Chris
commented that there are people out there with larger issues such as Bainbridge Island
proposing to hold on to one acre zoning and will probably be appealed on that item. He
feels the best thing for Bainbridge Island to do is disincorporate about 2/3 of the island so
they will get back a rural atmosphere with some kind of nodes of urban or suburban.
Chris said that the Mayor of Bainbridge Island understands the answer is to tier their
growth and development and they can continue what they are currently doing, but they
need to have that tiering strategy in their Comp Plan.
Commissioner Streissguth
remarked that she is aware that other jurisdictions are doing
things such as adopting their county’s Critical Areas Ordinance or adopting CTED’s
model as an interim measure and she was wondering if that was something Bremerton
Chris
has looked at. replied that the most stressful area his colleagues [from the
conference] were experiencing is Critical Areas and “best available science” and how
difficult that is around the state right now; everybody is struggling with this issue of
knowing what best available science is and what it means when it is applied. In
particular, jurisdictions in urban environments were not happy about the 300 foot buffer
rule and viewed it as unreasonable in their environment, but if they come up with
something else they are opening themselves up to criticism for not using the CTED
guidelines. Are the CTED guidelines really guidelines or are they mandates? They are
written as guidelines but the state agencies such as the Department of Ecology, Fish &
Wildlife and CTED treat them like mandates when jurisdictions deviate from them.
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Chris feels it is a good thing that Bremerton is not in the forefront on these issues because
of this aggressiveness from the state agencies.
Chris
said one of the largest discussion items was getting balance between development
interests and the environment. The state agencies seem to follow their own mandates to
protect their own environmental areas; they seem to be driven by their missions, but their
missions seem to have lost the sense under GMA that there has to be balance. How do
you balance economic development and ecological interests and the environment and still
move forward to a better future? That is where “best available science” is supposed to
help, but it is used more often as a punisher than a helper because it is being taken by the
state agencies out of other areas and declaring it to be the Best Available Science but it
seems to eliminate the idea that localities can do their own investigations and consider
other sources of science, but might come to a different conclusion. Chris feels this
situation is probably not right and more than likely Bremerton will not be using that
process as it would not best serve Bremerton’s needs in the long run; it would create a lot
of stress on individual property owners and may not produce the best urban environment.
The Planning Commission will be spending much more time on this subject after the
New Year and into the spring.
The next item on the agenda was “Urban Infill Redevelopment Computer Visualization”.
Paul Rogerson
explained that this was a follow-up to earlier agenda items regarding the
meetings to present the Comprehensive Plan to Council and the district meetings. The
computer program employs a PowerPoint technique to demonstrate what centers-type
development might look like in various starting environments similar to areas in
Bremerton. This tool was also effective in generating enthusiasm at the council and
mayoral level. The slides show a gradual change from boxy buildings with large parking
lots fronting major streets to a more mixed use environment with buildings closer to the
street, hidden parking and increased pedestrian traffic (please refer to printed handouts).
It also illustrated how the introduction of mass transit such as a light rail could affect a
Chris
corridor. commented that this type of change would require a major public
investment up front for transit and enhancing the public realm of the street (i.e.
Paul
sidewalks, urban design, etc.). gave a brief description of each scenario, explaining
each step that may be taken to arrive at the final illustration. At the end of the
presentation, Paul said that there are a couple extra scenarios available but are not as
applicable to Bremerton as the scenarios shown. He added the overall acceptance level
has been wonderful and the presentation helped to reduce any anxiety regarding centers
and infill and increased the understanding of what the final product would be. Paul
anticipates using this visual aid at the upcoming district meeting as well as the public
hearings.
Chris
commented that this presentation shows the role of the public sector in setting the
stage by partnering with transit providers because transit is key in attracting density and
density is key to providing the kind of urban environments where there are more lifestyle
options, activities, and development and the revenues generated on all of those. The
public sector is also involved in the streetscapes, unless it can be accomplished through
an LID, as well as getting the rules in place to get buildings up to the street to reverse the
post-war “modern development pattern” to arrive at something that is truly sustainable,
all the while exercising great patience. Chris speculated that [the Planning Department
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and Commissioners] will be told there is no market for type of development, but he feels
that the market for this style is wherever it’s built; it happens all across the country, in big
cities and small. The only place it doesn’t happen at is cities that say there is no market
for it. Society is changing; the employment sectors have changed, the demographics
have changed, how people make money and where they want to live has changed.
Everything is changing faster than the rules can be changed so when we go through the
Paul
adoption process, we’ll see what happens. added that at the previous public
hearings it was often heard from citizens that they know what has been going on in areas
such as Wheaton Way has not worked for the last 20 years, so [a new approach like what
is being presented] couldn’t be worse.
Chris
reminded the Commissioners that the projects won’t start out looking like [the
examples in the presentation] – it will have to start with “baby steps”. For example,
through the initial zoning phase there will probably be the ability to do free-standing
commercial but it will be a learning process. All of the illustrations in the presentation
showcased mixed-use buildings with retail at the street level and residential above.
Bremerton has very little experience with that concept, but Seattle and Redmond and
similar cities have a lot of experience; currently it’s almost unheard of to construct a new
commercial building in the Seattle area without having residential above; imagine the
cost of building in Seattle and compare that with the cost of constructing the same type of
building here in Bremerton. It comes down to someone willing to be a “pioneer” and
being the first to put forth that type of construction. With all the current and future
amenities coupled with the affordability that Bremerton and Kitsap County have to offer,
Chris can easily envision developers wanting to build here. He has spoken to
representatives from Trader Joe’s about building in Bremerton and expects to speak with
them again in 2005. Trader Joe’s is a developer that favors the mixed-use (retail +
residential) style of construction.
Some of the first steps [toward the presentation model] may be free-standing commercial,
but the important thing is that, whatever is accomplished, it doesn’t jeopardize the ability
to achieve that goal. That doesn’t mean that everything is going to be mixed-use up to
the street, but commercial needs to be up to the street so the right type of development
can occur behind it. Chris commented that one of the largest struggles he’s had is with
developers who want to set a commercial building back 60 feet from the street with
parking between the building and the street.
Paul
added that, at the Kitsap Regional Coordinating Council meeting, the Mayor
requested the redevelopment slide presentation be shown to the rest of the KRCC group.
During the presentation, the Mayor remarked, “We’re going to get this done for
Bremerton; we’re going to hire this firm and have them do this for Bremerton centers.”
Paul was gratified to hear the Mayor speak of Bremerton centers as something he is
ChrisMatthew Keough, Growth Planner, City of
excited about. reported that
Bremerton
, had been in contact with the person who created the computer visualization
presentation and found that each scenario costs $5,000 to create, so a set of five would
cost $25,000. The Commissioners felt that a set of customized scenarios featuring
Bremerton sites would not be necessary.
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Seeing there were no further comments or questions regarding the Public Meeting,
Commissioner Buckingham
closed this portion of the meeting.
VI. Business Meeting
A.Chairman’s Report:
None.
B. Director’s Report: Chris Hugo
began his report with the announcement that a new
Planning Commissioner has been named. Judy Friedberg-Nerf has been a very active
participant in Shaping Bremerton and had attended many of the sessions the Commission
has had. The mayor’s office has continued interviewing Planning Commission applicants
in the event there is a future need for a replacement to avoid having a vacant seat as was
the case this last time.
The Department of Community Development will be relocating to the new Government
Chris
Center in mid-October. invited the Commissioners to visit the new offices for a
tour as soon as the move is completed. Chris commented that, even with the mistakes
that were made on the City’s floor, it is far better than the offices that are currently being
used. Kitsap Consolidated Housing Authority, the project manager, is working with the
City to correct the errors after the building opens. Chris described Kitsap County’s new
Community Development office and the seamless environment it provided. Customers
there have great views of the water plus easy access to on-line permit information and
one-on-one contact with a permit technician sitting at a regular desk. This was the type
of environment Chris had envisioned for Bremerton’s DCD but, unfortunately, it did not
turn out that way. He reminded the Commissioners that they will also be conducting
future Planning Commission meetings in the new conference room on the main floor
although it is uncertain if the October meeting will occur there because of scheduling, but
it will be sorted out within the next three or four weeks.
Chris
will be testifying on September 23, 2004 at the Mayor’s request to the county
Hearing Examiner regarding the crematory issue. Chris feels that the zoning is
inappropriate, antiquated and misdesigned. The applicant has not done anything wrong
in terms of their legal rights; under the county zoning they have the legal right to get a
permit but just because there is the legal right to do something, that doesn’t make it the
right thing to do. This situation has come about because the county zoning allowed an
Commissioner
application that, in the public interest, shouldn’t have been allowed.
KosuskoChris
asked when that area was to be annexed to the City of Bremerton.
answered that it is an “island” and DCD will probably proceed with a city initiated
annexation when there is an annexation program in place. Chris has made a budget
request for an additional planner in his department to focus on annexations and some
current planning. It’s still a council priority but there is no time to work on it.
C. Old Business:
Commissioner Buckingham reminded the Commissioners about
reviewing the by-laws. There had been some discussion regarding the by-laws in the past but
nothing definite had been decided. Commissioner Buckingham suggested this item be added to
the next agenda and for the Commissioners to review the information distributed at a previous
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meeting regarding the Hearing Examiner, ordinances and RCWs that may affect the Planning
Chris
Commission’s by-laws. said he thought it had been decided that the by-laws should be
looked at by Legal before making any changes.
Commissioner Streissguth
returned to the subject of Planning Commission appointments. She
referred to a list she had showing term expiration dates and thought that perhaps Commissioner
Kennedy’s and Commissioner Cockburn’s terms were close to ending. After some discussion, it
Pam Wilson, DCD Office Assistant, Sr.
was decided that , would look into this item and report
back to the Commissioners at the next meeting.
D. New Business:
None.
VII. Adjournment
Meeting was adjourned at 6:40 p.m. The next regular meeting is scheduled for October 19,
2004.
Respectfully submitted by:
_______________________________________
Executive Secretary
Approved by:
_______________________________________
B. Scott Buckingham, Chairman
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