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HomeMy WebLinkAbout10/16/74 CITY COUNCIL ~i'ING 0CTOB~R 16, 1974 The reKular meeting~ of the City Council of the City of Bremerton, Washington, was held in the Council C~rs of City H~I at 9:00 a.m.~ PDST, Wednesday, October 16, 1974. Attending were: Mayor Jarstad, presiding; Conmlissioner Stew~/-t, Co,~{ssioner Seheneman, City Clerk Yeadon, City Attorney Walgren, and representatives of the press and radio. Neeting opened with the Pledge of Allegiance and Invocation by G.C. Yeadon, Sr. ~ of October 9, 1974, were read and approved as amended. SEPARATIONS Alice Linsao~ P~l~ Labor, Secretary, Resigned, October 15, 1974. Motion by Mayor Jarstad and Co~ssionem Schoneman to approve the separation, carried unanimously. F}~LOYMENTS Ellie Cocmbe, Ex~.z,a Labor, Public Works, $2.75 hour, Effective October 15, 1974. ~tion by Mayor Jarstad and C~selor~r Schoneman to approve the employment ,carried unanimously. CHANGE IN PAY STATUS · onita Groneman, Clerk-Typist, Municipal Court, $510 ~o $530, Effective Oct.6, 1974, Completion of Six Month Probationa_~y period. ~,~tion bY Mayor Ja/~stad and Ccm~alssioner Stewart to approve the Change in Pay Status, carried unanimously. PAYROLL VOUC~RS Clerk presented Payroll Voucher for bank service fees, etc., for payroll period September throuKh October 5, 197~, in ~mount of $3,966.53; also, presented payroll voucher showing gross payroll of $119,961.83 for same pay period. ~tion by C~missloner Stewart and (k~missioner .Schoneman to approve the payroll vouchers, carried unanimDusly. TRANSFER OF LICENSE - MOUNTAIN TIME TAVFRN Clerk presented applications for transfer of O%~ership of Mountain T~me Tavern for Dancing $ Entertainment and ~iusic Machine licenses. Approved by Asst. Chief of Police. Motion by Mayor Jarstad and C~ssioner STewart to approve the applications, carried unanimously. EMPLOYEES' RETIRKMENT FUND C~e~k presented Fa~loyees' Retir~nent Fund list for October, 1974, in the gross ~nount of $2,571.03~ ~%)tlon by Co~ntissioner Ste~u-~ and Con~.ssioner Schoneman to approve the Retirement Fund List, carried unanimously. ACCEFTENCE OF PROJECT - LID #318 FORD AVENUE SANITARY SEWER Clerk read memo dated October 15, 197~, fr~m City Eng, ineer to City Council which stated that the Contractor has c~leted this work in accordance with the plans and specifications and reeonmlended the work be. accepted. }btion by Con~nlssloner Schoneman and Conmissioner Stewart to ooncur in the recommendation and accept the work, carried unanimously. BID AWARD - CHLORINE/A~N!A 1975 dity Clerk stated it is recommended that the bid be a~arded to Pennwalt Company, lo~.st bidder on C}tlorine, due to the fact that ;~,,,onia is not used in great quanity by the City; that this ~4ould he the best bid. ~4otion. by Commissioner Sehoneman and Commissioner Stewart to award bid to Pennw~t Company as reccr~nended, c~rried unanimously. BID AWARD - CONCRSTE ~ REL~I'~D MATERIALS 1975 Clerk stated it is reconm~nded that bids of Kenyon Materia/s and Breme~ton C~ncrete Products be ~2.~Dt~d as ].ow and onlv bidders. (Bid on separate '{orion by Conm%issioner Schoneman and Mayor Ja~stad to accept the rec~,~,endation and award bids aetna,.Iv, carried unanimously. ~UNICIPAL REPAIR GARAGE DEFICIT Clerk read memo dated 11 October 197~ from City Auditor to City Council recommending allocation of funds to the Cx/rage ~und frc~ the C~neDal Fund, Water Fund and Equipment Rental Fund; also, stated that if his ~ndation is approved, interfund transfers will be made, and the City Treasurer will redeem all outstanding~. Garage Fund w~a"rants. }{orion bv CDmmissioner Stewart and C~,{ssioner Sehoneman to concur in recommendation of the City Au-~r, carried unanimously. C1TY COUNCIL ~:~:['£NG~ - OCTOBER lS~ 197B PROCLAMATION ClePk r~ad proclamation of the MasoP proelaimir~ the w~ek of Octobep 20 through 28, 1974, as the "National Business Women's Week". MayoP Ja~stad stated that he appPeeiates the efforts of the Professional ~0men's Club supporting the Pa~ks and Recreation Bond Issue. RESOLUTION - SAFfEUARD LIABILITIES INCURRED BY C1TY (LID's) Clerk ~ead A Resolution declaring the intent of the City t o institute additional safe--s to insure that liabilities in~ by the City shall have been duly authoPized and financially planned. ClePk Pead memo dated 0ctobeP 18, 1974, from C~,,,{ssioneP Sehoneman to City Council statin~ that it has been policy to p£u~te and eneour~Ke lc~-~l improv~nents by supporting manpowem and equipment, funded fr~n maintenance and ope~atlon. M~mo also stated tha the 19Gl Legisla~uPe c~eated the A~te~ial Street Fund, allocating h~lf-eent gas tax to suppor~c the r~onst~uction and construction of main arterials and this fund should not be USed to suppor~c r~sidentlal st-~eet and alley Iocal Improvement Distmicts. Motion by C~nissioner Stewart to pass Resolution amended to coveP all expenditures of the City. ~--~n died fop lack of second. ) Leugth¥ discussion was held, and it was brought out that the /~esolution as w~itten W0~ld apply to Local ImpDovement Dist-~icts only. C~,,,~issioneP ~ewar~c stated that the resolution is necessary, and that Council must know the source of funding fo~ LID's and othem expenditures. Conmtisisonep Schoneman stated that the Public WoPks Department would need to repm{~ these ameas usinK Maintenance $ Opepation funds even if the LID wasn't established; howeveP, formation of an LID makes a permanent improvement which should also be cha~ged frcm Maintenance F. 0Depation. Motion by ~,,~issioneP Schoneman that the LID pro~ects be budgeted undeP Maintenance g ODepation. l~-~-foP lack of second. ) MayoP Ja~stad directed the mattem set aside for review by Ccm~tissioner Schoneman~ Commissioner ,Stewart, City Clerk, City C~t~-k, City Auditor, &nd Chief Accountant. ORDI}I~NCE ~0. 3170 ClePk read, second reading, An 0~dlnanee ~ndlng Section 5 of O~dinanee No. 2238 regarding regulation of the installation of flxtu~es and apparatus used to conduct oP consume natural gas, and adopting by refemence each and all of the eondltions~ p~ovisions and regulations, penalties and terras of said N.B.F.U. P~phlet 5~ and the Pamphlet No. ASA B 31.1, dated 1955, and p~ovldi~g that Section 1 of this Or~tinance shall control any conflict with ChapteP 12 of the Uniform Plumbing C~de. }~tion by C~ssione~ Sehoneman and Mayor JaPstad to pass O~dinanee No. 3170, ca~ed as follows: v~Ja~stad, yes; Co~ssione~ Stewar~ .yes; Cc~nissloneP Schoneman: yes. P~EPORTS - Cu~,~[ssioner Ste%~u~t 1. ~{ave ar~an~ed f~ee presentation by A~thu~ g Yot~Tg O~,~any (CPA's) relating to perfopmance audit. Will be held in Seattle. ~b date has been set. Goal is to increase p~oductivity. F~lcouPa evers~ne to set up scme type of woPk meastupement. W~ll be attending with ~ooumtin~ PePsonnel. 2. Accomding to ~ecent State Leg~islation all leases the City has will be taxed 1~ percent, which ~11 include the C~lf Course Lease. Approximate cost of tax will be ~4,200 a year fop the Golf Cour~e~ and the City will net receive enough payment on r~.nt in orde~ to make payment on the bonds. 3. City Attorney's Office will have Cx%ble TV Ordinance prepared fop next meetinK. Or~ company is ehar~ing 88.90 per month, and one o~,~pany 88.00 pe~ month. This should he checked out by City AuditoP to make ~ the price difference is allowed. g. Met with Navy yeste~day~ and feel they are t~ying~ to get the best deal fop the Navy; that the Council should t~y to get the best deal for the City. REPORTS - CbmmissioneP Schoneman 1. Have been patrolling watePshed mope intensively with the openinK of hunting season. Have not dlsoove~ed any violator-s so 9. Vandals caused about ~500 worth of damage to t-~affle signs. Hope these Deoole a~e awa~e that they a~e endar~ePin~ lives. C~ssloneP ,~tewar~ asked the City AttoPney if it would be possible to pmeDa~e an ordinance providing~ a mandatory ~ail sentence for vandali~n, such as was prepemed fop eludin~ a rolice office City Attorney advised that this would be proc_peP proceduPe ~ and the Council could leKaliy pass such an ol~d ]nance. CITY COUNCIL M}/L-TING - OCTOBER 16 ~ 197~ 3. ReDorted on C~rst Creek Salmon Run, and success of the State Fishmries Department in the past in rearing and releasing Salmon. Othe~ d~eeks in the State ~ly dry; however, it is possible to nelease water at ~orst Creek. ~. KBRO Con~nentary last Monday excellent~ and revealed the concerns of those in the Central Business District. CITY ATTORNEY: 1. Meeting. with P~. Cx%rland tomorl~ow at 11:00 a.m. to see if we can flnmlize the necessary doc~nents in ~onnection with North Perry Water Distrlet. 2. ~ve subnltted to the Cc~ssloners copies of letter from Mr. G~een, Attorney, in connection wit} Navy Yard City Sewem District ~1. Discussion was held on the contents of the letter~ and Oon*nlssion~ ~tewart stated that any contracts signed in the future should be tied to the City Ordinance in ol~der to provide any rates changes. MAYOR JARSTAD - REPORTS 1. Would like State Legislature to look into the matter of sales tax, makin~ sure that it is paid by ever%one in the State. 2. As a result of meeting yesterday with the Navy: hope they will come to the conclusion that the rates set forth in City ordinance are fair and equitable. DESIGNATION OF WORK A1 He~.~,mnn, Wastewater Supervisor, asked questions concerning the designated work week. Co,m',issioner Schon~man read rm~mo dated 7 October 197g fr~m Chief Accountant stating that the Dept. of La]~r advised that the Work Week may be any seven day period formally announced by the entity concerned; also, read memo fz~,, Mr. Weller, Water Supt. requesting, that w~rk week for the WAter/$~a.r Dept. be designated to run frc~ Su~y midnight to ~day midnight. bbtion by Con~nissioner Sehoneman and Mayor Ja~stad to eoneu~ with request of Mr. Weller to ~ate the ~rk week to run f£~f, Sunday midnight to Sunday midnight: and to designate this for al~ other o~erations~ carried unartimously. ORDINANCE - MEC~{AN-IC~ CODE Clerk read, first reading, An Ordinance adopting the Uniform Mechanleal Code, 1973 Edition, and amendir~ .qection 3~ thereof reK~ arding fees. P%Dtion bv Cu,,~ssioner Schon~man and ~yor Jarstad to approve ordinance on first readlng~. ~m~issioner Schonennan advised that this ordinance is an up-date of charges for permits: which hasn't been do~e for a n%~nber of years. Motion ca,Pied as follows: Mayor Jarstad~ yes; fbmmissioner Stewart, yes; Co~ssioner Schonemmn, yes. RESOLUTION ~D. 1619 Clerk read A Resolution declaring., certain property in Bre~_~ton }~ights as surDlus. ~tion bv Cc~nissioner Schonenan and ~yor Jarstad to pass Resolution No. 1619 carried as foll~s: ? v~Jarstad, yes; Con~tissioner Stewart: yes; C~ssloner Schoneman: yes. Citv Clerk recom~mnded two appraisals be. obtained in accordance to procedures outlined by Asst. Cit~? Attorney John Jackson regardinK sale of surplus property. ~otion by Oommissioner Stewart and Mayor Jarstad to direct the City Clerk to obtain two appraisals, c~ied unanimously. PAY BILLS Motion bv Conmlissioner Stewart and Mayor Ja~stad to give a blanket approval of Vouchers No. to ~7~8 inclusive for payment in the amount of ~75,808.~9, carried unanDnously. CDnmtissioner Stewart suggested that City Auditor sign statement on the bills; that he is actually the one ~ knows that all the bills are in proper order. City Clerk stated he would see that this is worked out. Recessed 10:~9. Called to Order 11:00 a.m. Motion by Mayor Jarstad and C~mmlssioner Stewmx~ to open bids as scheduled~ carried unanimously. Clerk opened the following bids: C~SOLINE. f. LUBRICATING., OILS: Pederson Oil, Check Enclosed .~50.00, Bid on file. Atlantic Richfield - No Bid. Standard Oil Ccmpany- Bid 0n File. Texaoo - 5b Bid. CITY COUNCIL ~-;~:J.'l'kr~ - OCTOBER 16~ 1974 Clemk r~ad bids aloud. Rera"esentative of Standard 0il Company p~esent. , Bids on file in Ci~v Clerk's Office for Review. Due to detailed bids, amounts not listed. Motion by t~ayor Ja~stad and Cc~nisslonel- Stewar~ to refe~ bids to proper uon~mittee for study and ~ecommendation of award, carried unanimously. b~l'fN~ RECESSED 11:15 A.M. RECESSED CITY ~0UNCIL M~b'rING 0ctobep 16~ 197~ - 7:00 p.m. Recessed meetin~ of the City Council of the City of B~eme~ton was held in the C~umeil Chambems, City Hall, at 7: 0fl p.m., OctoheP 16, 197~, with MayoP Jamstad pr~slding fop the first twenty. minutes afteP which Con~issionem Stewax~ pl-eslded. Also p~esent were Ccem~issioneP Sehoneman, City ClePk Yeadon and City AttoPney Gordon Walgl~en. FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATD~EN~ - ~3MMARY Sh~El' (Boggess-RiehaTdson) Citv Clerk ~ead the Stm~aal-y Sheet of the Final Env/_~or~en~al I~npact Statement. Mayop asked for continents. Mo comments wePe offered. Motion by Ha~P Jal~stad and Cc,l~,issione~ Stewar~c to adopt the Final Envi~or~nental Impact ~ta~.nt, carried unanlmously. HEARIN3: (Bo§Kess-Richa~dson Rezone R-1 to R-2 and R-1 to ~ ~-~by Mayor Ja~stad and co~ssione~ Stews_~t that the h~a~ir~ on the application for rezone, ~ to R-2 and R-1 to 5-3 be held at this time, carried unanimously. City Clerk mad Hinutes of Planning ~ssion meetir~ held Septe~be~ 18~ 197~. It was noted by the City ClePk that these minutes were very complete and b~iefed all the ~ox~espondence that was ?esented and is on file. Clerk stated he had posted notices, advertised in the legal papeP and mailed letters to residents record within 250 feet of the a~ea and an affidavit to this effect is on file. Clerk ~ead the only two pieces of correspondence which bad been received since the Plannir~ Oo, mission zeeti~ was held and which had a bea~in~ on this hea~ing. These were comments fr~m the Fire and Police (T~affle) Dept. ¥i~e Dept. c~,~ents: "The FJ~e Depa~,b~nt desires to have more than ~ust acoess from Wheaton WAy~ however, if all tumni~ radiuses within the development a~e US' or larK.~0~ Fi~e Del~.b,%ent equiunent can operate with only the access from Wheaton Way." Police (Tnaffic) Dept.: '"We have no objections to ent~aee and exit onto Wheaton Way as lor~., as there is an entn~nee and exit onto Pearl St. fx~m the south~st co~ne~ of the proposed complex." Plannin~ Depar.[,~nt presentation was ~iven by Dimcto~ George PlescheP~ with map of the a~ea showing, uses (zones)~ indicated on the mp where the p~oper~ was located and where the houses were located around the pe~im~te~ of the p~oper~y. Also ~ D~o~osed, with entrance from Wheaton Way and ~s-eK~ess nea~ the southwest co~ne~ nea~ Bledsoe Str~et~ and comi~ on Pearl Street. N~mbe~ of housin~ units planned, 104. M~. Richardson stated there would be thirteen buildings, and these would be ei~ht-ple~es .urn. Schone~an asked if the same ownership a~e the ones who sold the pePi~ste~? M~. Plesche~ stated he thought it was a family ownerehip at one t~me. M~. Richax~son ¢~mented that one ownerehip ~wned a straight ten-ac~e pleee in there. M~. Seboneman then oon~ented that appanently the county allowed this to o~cu~. M~. PlesoheP stated it was "unique" but M~. Schenema~ co~mented this was "stupid planning". On question fr~m the Mayo~ ~0. Plesehe~ stated the co~cial zone would be about 350 feet~ about three and one-half lots. F~. Sehoneman stated the City Council was ~oin~ to clr~w a line and hold to that distance. M~. PleseheP stated this had started with 250 feet with S~aeth: went to B-3 but this was fo~ stcr~a~e. M~. Sehoneman stated it w~ his understanding, would be 2S0 feet extx~me deDth on Wheaton Way to B-3. MayoP explained that the City held to the llne to protect Maple Street. Fu~the~ discussion of ~-3 de~th was held. PROPONElffS: (MayoP Jar~tad left meetlnK at this time) ~I.H. Richardson~ 546-4th Street, Breme~ton~ spoke x~a~din~ the B-8 Do~tlon~ that it would be lo, leal ~n 'c6ntinuin~ of ~-3 on W~eaton ~(ay~ that this piece and one otheP ~ th only ones not co, hernial: with the trend to ¢~,~x~ial on Wheaton Way it is logical and it is no Kood fo~ residences on Wheaton Way. In connection with economic feasibility fo~ B-3~ need adequate K~ound for a building, and fop Da~kinK. He noted that there is a 225 foot Disoe of Kr~und across the street wher~ the owne~ has ~ad difficulty in finding a lessee because not enough depth fop a buildinK~ and adequate ~a~kir~. M~. P~ieha~dson stated the prope~.ty dro~s off ~athe~ steeply and the. buildin~ D~oposed is to be on street level and then drop down to a basement~ that he hoped to come up with retail oP offices on Wheaton Nay and hopefully offices on the baekslde taht don't cate~ to a lot of people. He has to provide ~%rkin~ in the back and adequate sc~eenin~ into what will be residential atmosphere. i RECESSED CITY COUNCIL M~;~rING~ - October 1~, 197~ ~r. Richardson stated the back is c~]L~osed of seven ac~es, with dl~astlcally reduced use because of past planning.; pesidentlal lots all around the. p~oper~y leaving no access to Wheaton Way. He stated the back seven ac~es could be platted into about 24 10ts with 80' frontage and 140' in depth, with 5n" street down the middle and cul-de-sacs. THis would waste desirable commercial space on Wheaton Way. He stated a home buyer is going.~ to move into a more subu~ area, as a :hi~her priced home ar~a. Othe~ise, this ar~a would go for subsidized or lower cost housing, because of the cost of the ground, t~e commented that another use might be to r~quest a business for a con~e~cial amea for the whole of the p~ope, r~y; however, he didn't think this would be fai~ for the people living the~e. ~. Richardson stated the baildlngs would cover 1~% of the g~ound with the thir~csen buildings, ~8% driveways and parking areas; 58% for open space, to be used in eltheP leavin~ green space putting in K~een space. He stated this should make an attractive complex with buildings on different elevations. I{r. Schoneman asked if there was planned to be a childrens' playground. Mm. Richal~Json stated them ibave adequate area and that they have discussed the possibility of putting in a pool and tennis cou~ts. He commented ther~ would be 10~ living units, with 56 being two-hedl~Dom and 48 bein~ one-bedrock. Rega~dlng the numbel~ of children in the p~oject, study figures show .0~7 in the one- :bedr~x~ and .039 in two-bedroom. This would give ~ to ~8 ehilctPen. M~. Richardson eo~nented ~ecause of the size of the units and the Pent r~qui~ed, there would not he many children ar~ he ,4Duld expect mol-e retired people. ~-~. Schoneman asked about screening and fencing. Mi-. Richardson stated that a numbem of exlstin~ houses have fences. At the east end the~e would six to eight feet of plantings; also, they could move one of the buildings to give mome space between the builidng and the properS3; line. $choneman asked about pa~king. MI-. Richardson stated there would be 183 spaces; 1.57 cars per unit which he said was more than .t~;pical pa~king, ~. ~. Shoneman asked if the pa~kin~ is an lenc~o?c .h~ent of.t. he green.al-ea and M~. Richardson stated .it was not; also, said that most papkin~ a. re.a is rw~.~nty~rl.ve t.o. t]~ .l~ feet f£on t.h~. aver~age lot llnel PR-. Richardson stated the ~oad system !l].s r_w~.nrv-rwo reef. ~z,. ~cpDneman asked if there were plans to dedicate as public st-r~ts and il~. Richardson stated they all on one private complex. _Richardson stated they feel the multi-family dwellings would Drovide tr~nsitlonal area from the i, - north and south of Pear1 Street, lt~._.Scho ,r~ma~. a. sk.ed.h.o..w high. the .b.ulldlnF, s.would be and Mm..Rlehamdson stated they would be !el~n.~een reeE /Q. n.e.l~nr ;.anG rel. atlnK to view property looking fD0m the pl~ivate dwellings toward the !lcomD±ex pPoposeG, there is no view. ~. Richardson stated that two weeks ago MI,. HoPsleF, Trident Coo~dinatop~ repo~ted that in the next ten years there will be a need fo~ 18,000 living units. M~. Ric~on stated that is an expensive ~roposition for the taxpayers to extend servlee to outside ar~as and it seems that areas like this become e×l~Jnely valuable asset to the city. It already has utilities, ~oads, is nee/- schools, churches and shopping. Mr. Richardson stated it is a waste of a public asset to restmiet to 2g hc~s and that the hi~,hest use is for family ecmDlex. ~P. Richardson stated 'the~v have asked fop a dl~iveway access to Pearl Si-~eet. He stated it would be . inconvenient foe someone to drive out the back and would be better to go direct to Wheaton Way. Further, the Police Depar. b%~nt indicates Do si~ht difficulties from the dip to the hack exist and the Fire Depa~.t,,Lent asked for a back exit. Without the hack exit it be like a dead=end street with 10q hc~nes on it. ~.~. Sehone~an asked about the squal-e foot of the buildings. PR-. Richax~son explained the one hedmooms ~xould be GGg square feet and the two bedrooms would be 840 square fee~. He stated this vDuld be in high rental bracket because of cost of g~ound and p~oject. Mm. Echoneman asked about the cost of the p~oject and Mr. Ric~gon stated he hasn't attempted to cost it out exaotly. I'.buld be about two and one-half million dollars fop the total ecmplex, both apa/'.t,~nts and 15~. Rehoneman commented there is fundin~ for traffic signals for Sylvan and Wheaton and, also, will be acquipin~ six feet of rlg~ht-of-way on lFneaton, between Sylvan and Riddell Road. En~ineerin~ work will oo,~ence the~e shortly. He stated soa~thir~ llke the Payless ar~a will ~esult, only there I{ill be sidewalks elea~ through. uestlons follcx~ed the opening, statements. arold Server, 818 Hartford stated the developers could put a street in the back, with re~ula~ houses i :here. He asked what is the ~eason the street has to come out to the othe~ side. M~. Richardson ;rated the prooerd3y is landlocked. If put in private hc~es the people would come to Wheaton WAy. I~. Sar~er stated that most of the people F,o out the hack w~y because of traffic on Wheaton WAy. ~%r. Richardson commented that most of the buildings will be toward the front. Mr..~%~ve~ stated that people a~e going to Ko through the back and a lot of people a~e now using Pine Road. RECESSED CITY 00UNCIL M~EI'IN~= - 0ctobe~ 16, lgT~ M~. ~ckett, Attorney, asked if anyone on the street has been asked would they p~ov~de an access through their p~opel~ty fop develot~nent of s~ngle-fanlily develo~nent. M~. P, icha~dson stated not by M~. Hackett r~m%~ked that the statement has been made that th~s is not suitable fop single-family dwellinEs and that the city has the Pight to go in and take land fop a street; that this is a ~elevant question for the City Council to consider. He stated this is R-1 and it has %o be considered whether this is possible before g~ the change. M~. Fx~ Okerman, 1015 Hanfo~d, ~e~a~ding cutting th~ sc~mone's yard, how does M~. Richardson plan to r~tain the people in the~e to use Wheaton Way ~atheP than go on foot through scme otheP pr~pe~ty. Ne stated they live in thei~ patio and they would face these tall buildings; also, theiP neighboPs have a house almost on the back line amd would he vemy close to this. He said he unde~- stood the builders are going to fill a little valley and this would be a natural cut-through across his p~oper~y. M~. Lonny'Boggess, 5~6-~th St., stated one of the thoughts that come to his mind is how a~e they going to contain people on the aPa~,bL~nt 'side? That doesn't bother him as much as how they a~e going~ to keep the people fz~L, the houses f~om golr~ through the aDar~onent a~ea He said if the fence w~s the only thing, he would agree to putting up a fence. The propeP thing is to play it by ea~ and if the problem comes up, then face the problem. If it beccmes a problem would be happy to fence it. Mm. Schon~nan c~,,~nted that the stat~nt has been mdc that ~st of the back yamds have been fenced. M~. Richal-dson stated ~ of them a~e and ~. Boggess stated they could face the problem when it comes. Cc~tissloneP Stewart asked if the city can l~qui~e fencinK late~ on if it is needed as a condition of this r~zone. M~. Schon~man questioned how does the city get oontmactoP to do it then as soem a~e going to say the fence is needed and some not. If the fence is to be~ would have to be. included in the buJ/din~ pez~tit. MP. Richardson asked how do the neighboPs keep the children fr~n coming through ~w? He thought once developed would be less chilck~n playing the~e. With a ~esident manageP on the ground it would be policed. If it beec~nes a problem would solve the problem if it exists. James E. CaPlsen, ~01~ Bledsoe, asked if the access go~ith the propez~ry Richa~dson-Biggess a~e buying. M~. Richardson answered it did. Mm. Ca~lsen stated that they a~e taking the easy way out and they a~e not looking at any otheP alter~lative. They could find a house on the otheP side and go stmaight th~ou~h to Wallin ~t.; and that they ape not taking a safe way out of the pr~per~ and a~e feeding %-~affie out in a poop place. Cc~,.~ssioneP Stewal~t co~nented that the Police ~epa~.lmmnt said not a pmoblem because of the dip oP access location. M~. ~ESS stated the site he is talking about was considered as an access to the propel~fy but through counsel with Planning Co~ssion and vaPious people decided the prc~er~y as shown the~e would be mo~e desirable than ec~ting out on Wallin Street. M~. Richardson stated they ~ pur~haslng the access but not fop the same pPice as the otheA-. Would be payir~ ek~r~a fo~ the house and lot. It was an easy. ~%V to go ~athe~ than shop fop am~ther access. He was approached by a real estate man who wanted to sell his on Bledose but Planning through bette~ to come out on Pearl Stmeet. MP. stewart asked why is it bette~ on Pearl than on Mallln. M~. Attebe~y stated that lot was par~ of the agreement and par~ of the mezone application and they didn't research the problem alternate p~oposal. MP. Richardson asked what is the problem of coming out on Wallin. M~. Attebery stated the access could be line up fop access on o~hem streets. This propezwcy is in otheP ownePship. M~. Schoneman stated be could see why out on Pearl ~tr~et. If c~ne out on Bledsoe people would think this is a street and the narrow street would clog up the t~affie. If appeamed to be an intepseotion would d~aw a lot of traffic Pight through; in faet~ would he a shol~tcut to the business district. If an intersection it would be used fop tmaffic. Ron Sow~Ps~ 737 Pearl, stated that intepsectlon would be actually two inte~sectlons about 100' apart, that is the two intePseetions Bledsoe and Pearl and believe Wallin would he a lot betteP plan. He stated the police may have been a little negligent, that tmaffio is going out not on %fneaton Way. MP. Schon~man stated the z~ad ccming through as planned would be more as an aooess. M~. SowaPs ~eite~ated that be thought it would be a dangerous intemsectlon. Susan Wie~man, 3826-11th Street, Seattle, stated not only are those two accesses the~e~ the house on the co~ner has its d~ivewav to the ~a~a~e r.~ht between t~ho~e ~,~o.~ they ~,~uld he hac'-~n~ out fr~,, the house into two intersections if th~s access go~s' in. Jerome Nelson~ 731 Pea~l~ stated Wallin StPeet does not ~ all the way through to Pine but Pearl does. He talked about ~%ieh direction people a~e going. Stated people would neveP see the access. b~. Schoneman c~,~mnted that people don't n~ly turn in 2~' dPive~y but they would on a street. ~. Nelson stated cams go down Pearl to Gillette to Sylvan to the light because it is nea~ly impossible to go on Wheaton. He felt most of ~he people will use the access and cause the stmeet to be mope heavily tPavelled. He said he has a five-yea~ old and a %-wo-yeap old and the~e ape. no sidewalks now fop them. M~. Scheneman stated curbs a~e so plced that sidewalks could be installed. M~. Nelson stated be agreed it was rotten plannin~ but wonde~ if going to c~ound an e~roP because of the fact putting in 10~ units. RECESSED CITY COUNCIL ht~£IN~ - 0ctobeP 16~ lg7~ Ron Smith, 985 Pearl, asked if the pictures he had turned in at th~ Plannin~ Heaping were ente~ed as ~ecor~. City ClePk stated the picut~es a~e in the file and showed the eon~tissioner~ they were available fop viewing. Chapley Love, 940 Pearl, stated he does not live in the~e now but did live at the bottom of the dip and use it as a rental; that trsffic on PeaP1 is c~eated just as much by people on Peapl as others. Police Depa~.b,~nt has been called and the culpmit most of the time was someone living the~e. He said he felt that the complex nea~ would benefit his ~enting of his duplex. He said he had c~,palint of Deople coming through f;-~¥~ Hanford and banging on his house. 0PPONE~FfS: W.---~.tt, Attorney, stated he was retained by a numbe~ of mesidents of the amea. He said that his basic concern is the R-1 to R-2 although some have expressed concern on the R-1 to B-3; that the p~oject has not been sutmitted as planned unit development and is a si-~aight rezone based on site ~lan. This gives less control to the city ove~ construction phase of the project. He said the people have a miF~t to demand some so~t of ~e~tz-iction and suFfested planned unit develotment if Pezo' is approved. He stated the rezone would be a d~astic and ~adical chang~e in the envJ_~orm~nt of the ar~a. }~ said the map shows d~lllngs all around that a~ea, and there is an ir~egulap piece of ~ound that has not been developed in the middle of it. He said he didn't know why it was develop and it was lousy planning.,; but the question is whehtap thls body is going to pile mope on to the er~op by auth~oizinK R-2 zone which would be compounding the erToP because of the fact of Dui-ting 104 units of apa~,b, Lents in the middle of a single family zone. According to you~ Fnvi~onmerfcal Impact State3nent which was adopted, 1~.8 ~tnits to the acme. A~co~ding to the City Planning Commissio: in the hea~ings they were advised that undeP the p~esent zoning they a~e allowed to construct approxbnately three single family ~esidences pel~ac~e. THis is a vast increase in the density of the apea. These people living in that a~ea in single family residences a~e erfcitled to protection of the zoning, o~dinance as to the qum~ ity of llfe they puz~J~ased homes and went into that a~ea. }~e stated that all of them have substantial investments in thei~ h~aes. He said he was not claiming that any of them have 80 om 60 thousand dollap homes in that vicinity; that he had lettePs which indicate that according to the propel~ty tax statements many of them, at least on Hartford and Bledose have 20 thousand dollap homes. Aftem living the~e fop ten yea~s ~ they would have substantial investments, havin~ paid one-half of the cost of these homes. He stated they wer~ oDnce~ned about the safety of theiP chilck~n and the value of theip proper~v. _Mm. Hackett stated even if M~. Richmmdson swore he was going to do it in a pemfeetly eoologica~ly sound manneP~ unless you put in ~estPictlons om put it on a planned unit develotx~ent, the~e is no w~y to pPevent him from sellin~ this land fop development two days late~; that ther~ was no assurance to this C~uncil that be would be the one r~u%ing this aparflm~nt c~¥,plex ten yea~s f~m now. So~ be said, the Oouneil has to consideP the apa~.b,~nt as such; the way it prepa~es unde~ permissible uses in that apea. He said it could he run by Mitsibushi of Japan, Donovan-Bloedel om any othe~ conglomerate. They could buy it up and take ovep. M~. Hackett stated concerning the p~obl~ms of access, that they were serious. He oc~,~mnted that the neveP shoud the City approve an a~ea with as dense a population with one access fop fil~e purposes even with a 48' tunn space. That is p~ima~ily fop a hook and ladde~ i-mack. That is assumip~ that no one eveP illegally papks in that access amea. In the case of a fire in any of the ~ buildings, if anyone in a standard size cap illegally papks out a ways f;-~. the curb it would block the truck. Hackett spoke fop incidents of loss in event of fi~e. Stated be was eom~e~ned about life and proper~ adapt fr~m the neighboPhood considapations. Mm. }{ackett ful~the~ stated concerning the affect on the density in the population; that .Mm. Richardso isn't p~oDosing to buy out that anti~e block, only the inneP apea. He asked, What happens to the proper~y values a~ound the a~ea. They will go to a degree if they are developed into apaz.l,~nts and othep c~,,mrclal ar~as, but he claimed they don't increase in value if they a~e single family residences; and that if the individual wants to continue to llve in the a~ea he takes the Pisk of losing, the value of his investment, unless he decides to sell in a pa~ticulap manneP. Mm. Hackett stated he also noticed that at the Planning Comaisslon no one - Planning Staff: Plannin~ ~x~,nisslon, om no one else~ even considered the fact of whethep o~ not the othe~ R-2 zones in this city ~re filled with apa~.b,ent units; and he stated this w~s an imDo~tant eonside~atior and before the Council decides to change a land use a~ea~ not only have to decide whetheP apartments a~e needed, but is there available land already zoned fo~ that use. He stated that is the Purpose of Dlannlng, so i~ advance can decide where these zones a~e going to be Dut. M~. Hackett Stated that he believes there is adequate space in the City of Bremsr~cOn, maybe'not the size of this complex here but fop apa~.b,~nts. The problem is one of cost. He stated the cost should be home by the developers who ape going to build the apa~,U~nt, no the surToundin?~ residents. He stated the developers ~ in business to make a profit and do not llve there. Of cou~se~ he ag~eed~ the ownePs of that land a~e entitled to Met sc~e value out of it. M~. Richardson a~guses that it is unfeasible to develop that as single family residences except as low cost housing. MD. Haekett stated he disputed that; and if you can build a 30 thousand dollap house on the comeP why can't vou build a 30 thousand dolla~ house in the intePioP with adequate streets. He stated that today in this county they a~e selling housed fop 40 thousand dollar~ which two yea~s ago they couldn't .sell fop 25 thousand, because there is a market. Fu~thep~ that Mm. HoPsley stated there a~e 18 thousand units needed in the next ten yeaps but be didn't specify apa~,l.~nts as opposed to single family residences and, su~ely~ some of those will want single family residences and they a~e not ~.oing to he able to afford ~0 and 50 thousand dolla~ houses. Speaking of a question of degree, because surely it is more p~ofltable fo~ the ownePs of that land to put ap~.b,ents on it. He said RECESSED CITY COUNCIL bt~Ci'fNG= - 0ctobem 16, 1974 they could bo~w money on the land, put in apa~.b,mnt houses, take depreciation on it, take a tax weite-off, they could potentially ruin the envi~orment fop ever~ybody sur~oundin~ it, and when they are retired in Az, lzona these people a~e going to be heap living with it. He claimed that is a factom which have to consider. MP. Hackett stated on the B-3 zone he would admtlt that he can't r~ally ~ationalize that he om anyone would buy a single family residence facing Wheaton ~ay~ pa~tleula~ly if had a 5th lane; but there a~e othem business uses besides the B-$ zone. Also, claJ3ned there was no reason it had to be. that deep. In previous actions in the a~ea have attempted to only go 25g' deep. There is authomized to the ~waediate south a large shopping centem fom the nei~hbo~ho0d a~ea. If we look at the Environmental Impact Statement and look at the percentage of tl~afflc, it says only 9% fo~ this Dal~ticula~ project; but yo~ have to oc~ptrte that .9% to the inc~-ease of tr~fie on Wheaton Way fora what is going to be constructed to the south~ and what is going to be constructed up tbe street, if it evem gets out of litigation, ~and what is going to be coming out of the K-Ma~t 8_~ea when it gets finished. When you figu/~ the total togethem, he sa~d he was sure that it is going to total mo than 9%, and where pollution is a factom f;-~¥L that. If some. of the tr~es a~e memoved, that is a natural baz~-iem to the noise, to the pollution that is eomlng ovem into that residential a~ea. He stated that most of the yeaP the aim pollution probably wouldn't be noticed; howevem, he pointed out that Seattle has ~iust had its first smog ale~t in its history. Sc~e of that s~og floated across the Puget Sound to Br~.mer~on and it is going, to be beccmtlnM an increasing problem Da~ticular~ when these types of a~sphemic conditions exist. He suf~litted that the single family residents a~e entitled to some conslde~atlon to putting g~een belts in that area thmongh planned unit develor~nent om sc~e othem type of device so they can buffem that residential a~e becuase we need that traffic a~te~ial but there is no Peason with wise planning why this residential are can not be prese~ved~ the tax base it represents can not be ppese~ved, so that they may have a viable conmunity in that a~ea. HE stated they wanted to keep this city a place where people can live as well as tmade and do business and stated if simply turn this la~ge landlocked portion into a la~ge apax.l,~nt cc~mplex without required a planned unit development, om without keeplng~ it a single family residence, that we a~e essentially destroying the viability of Valle-Hi end the surTounding~, ~ as residential neighbomhood; beoause as the Envirermaental Impact Statemmnt points out, it increases the p~essur~ on ever5; one of those surrounding areas to become sc~ething othem than what they are. He said it might not happen to~or%~ow, it might happen ten yea~s f;-~L now, but what happens to the p~opepty values of those people in the ten ~a~s; what happens to thelm quality of life as individ,,~]s representing families, living in that a~ea. These. a~e eonsidePation.~ the Council is going to have to consldem tonight and be asked that the R-1 should he denied~ that if there is going~ to be a development in that a~ea, it should be on a planed unit development basis to give the Council the might to control it, fora these people to pa~tlcipate in the hea~in~s and to have some say on each step of this pro, eot so it can be a showcase of what the city can do as fa~ as planning is eoncer~ed. M~. }~ackett stated, in elosim~ be would turn in these exhibits I have su~tted as to the value of Drepe~ty. He said be didn't w~r-~ant that they a~e scientific om a~e appr~se~s' opiruions. Most of them a~e statements based on elthem what ~ estate brokems have told his clients om what theim county proper~cy tax statements fr~m the latest appl~sals reflect. Ccz~missionem Stewart asked if there is evidence in these cases that apax, b,~nt houses always lowem .~mperty values in residential a/~eas? MP. Hackett stated he has no evidence to offem to that effec He said his main concern is not so much that it would necessarily always low~m them. The problem is in the intermediate areas where an apa~.b,~nt developez- would have the money to develop a given a/-ea, what happens to the people on the fminge in five om six yeaPs until somebody else comes in to buJ_ld somethin~ of a different nature. M~. Stews~t stated he meallzed the apartments must be p~ope~ly planned and huil~; heweve~, in his ~ he had noticed the apa~,b~n~ houses w~A~e bettem taken care of than the houses that were in there. M~. Hackett answered that this may be tmue but theme a~e examples in othe~ cities with ap~,b,~nts, in ?~attle, as one man stated tonight that ape not so. ~4~ don't know what is going to happen in the future. Suppose T~ident went undem, and all these apaz.b,ent houses became vacant~ would you pathem have a couple of vacant single r~sidence up that little ~ neck of land op a large apa~.b,~ent complex statndln~ vacant. He stated if TPident went undem there would be more apartment houses standing~ vaeant than single family residences~ because a lot of ap~b~ent houses a~e being eonstr~cted to meet the demand, the increased Navy population ccmlng in. Cx~mtissione~ Stewax~ he was not convinced of that any more; that there are a lot of people who want to llve in apaz.h~ents; they a~e oldem and don't want to maintain yards; that the population in that ar~a have been oldem and they ~nt to live wher~ the yards and maintenance a~e taken care of. M~. Hackett stated in ec~,~nting a little fur~hem that it could he clea~lv demonstrated they would lo~m propemty values~ but they do affect a quality of life if 5~u live in a single family neiFohboPhood because it changes the chal~actem of the neighbombo~ a little bit. There is no resi-eietion in an R-2 zone that there is going to be certain age groups in those apa~,b~mnt buildings. It is going to depend on the type of rentals. Commlssionem Stewart asked M~. Haekett if he would want that in the~e, that there ~Duld only be certain age gmoups can live in aDa~.b.ents. MP. Haekett stated the same thi~ is done when authomlze senio~ citizens cooDemative Dro~ects in certain ameas, which the Council has done on the east side. Commisslonem Stewart stated they could turn it down, but if the CouneJ_l is going to do it be didn't think that kind of rest~iotion should be. in there. Co~missionem Stewart stated there are items of restmietion, such as g~een belt, dmlveways, sc~eeenlnK. MP. Heekett stated that (age) was ~ust one faetom in an apai, b,~nt house and that is why need a planned unit if there is going to be any apa~'.b,%ent develpment in there because he said they don't know exactly what the effects ame going to be. He said they knew they were going to need mome housing ovem a ten-yeap pemiod but that doesn't neeessaPily mean we a~e goin~.~ to need it tcmol~-ow. If the~e is a g-~ad,,~7 change it may RECESSED CITY (I)UNCIL ~-:~-:~.'IN"4~ - October 16~ 1974 ehan~,e the whole pattern in the nei~hhe~od. The point is, he sa/d, is that a planned unit development would Kive the city planners time to mor~ or less play with the concept a little bit to make the neighbors satisfied until they develop scmeth~n~ that is safe as far as tmaffle access so they don't have all of a sudden an authorized biF, project in tb/s neighborhood. It may be too biK a project for that size of ground. Maybe a smaller projeat would he the answer; but a ~lanned unit development on that basis, if it is decided to approach it fz~m that basis~ would provide for hearings, publle partlelpation to suggest some viable envirormental alternatives to this type of p~oject. He stated that based on the envi~ormental that there is some serious defects in thi,, oroject, some serious adverse affects. One of them is'the possibility of runoff frown the commercial area. They said it might burden the storm sewer system. They said there would be an Lncreas in traffic, and that is the increase in t-~affic considered in th/s project. You have heard testimony about the affect of the ~affic access patt~.~,. MD. SteA~ufc stated he had 2% increase in traffic, which he ~athe~ed from the ~mpact statement. MD. Hackett stated that was correct from this pa~ticul~ rmoject; but that's not conslder~n~ eve~fth~ng that is authorized on Wheaton Way or the county mifht authorize farther up the arterial. MD. Stewart stated he didn't think could consider that now; think that a~e talklr~ about this project here and its impact on the area and that is what is to be decided. MD. Hackett stated it fits into the plc~nL~e th~s way, it is one more brick into the pile. In other words, presumably we have ad6pted a e~,~prehenslve plan for that whole area and he believed still have a Sheridan Patak Neighborhood C~Aprehenslve Plan covemlng that a~ea under way which they haven't even finished yet. There are some s~ggestions about green belts, etc. We ape goin~ in here with a rezone right in the middle of it before we let those nei~horhood suF~estlons in and if we don't eonslde~ the total tl~afflc impact on Wheaton Way, we are Kolng to cause ourselves some problems in the future. Not just fo~ the people in this neighborhood, but for every, body driving, down that street. Oonside~ what would happen if we had a fire and the Fire Dept. has to come up Wheaton Way at 4:30 in the afternoon. Now the hook and ladder is zoinK to have to make a turn acmoss traffic, assuming everybody stops~.which they sometimes don't. They are goinK to have to get in that n~;~uw access thmouKh business a~ea back into an R-2. That is ar~ther factor. You have to look at the total pictnlre as opposed to just whether or not it is desirable for the hi/best and best use. MD. Ste%~L~t ~tated the Fire Depaz, b~nt has made their report. MD. }~ckett ag~reed. He understood what the report said from that basis. They are concerned about the width of the roadway. He said he was concerned about ~hat happens if that roadway isn't clear %~hen they get there. Even if you got a wide road~ if you can't F, et through it. MD. Richardson stated not only in this lication but the Fire Depa~,t,~zfc has the right-of-waV, whether they have to Ko left or right ~t~'aight ahead. MD. Richardson questioned whether MD. Haekett was an expert in this field and Folnted out that the report ceme f~ the fire chief and his representative who are more adequate to speak than any state3~ent MD. Hackett m/ght make. MD. Hackett aKreed on that as faras the fire chief's state'ment goes, but he didn't really dlseuss the problem of what happens if the road is blocked. He sald, we could !et by with one access. MD. Richardson stated with 120 miles of city streets, why ~uld it happen in this particular location and not happen in any other location. Mr. Hackett acu~,~ented frcra his own pal-ticular experience in an aDa~.b~ent complex. Mr. ~{cha~dson countered about presuming that there ame going to b~ di~e ~ne~Kenci~s and asked that he stick to the facts. MD. Hackett stated the fact is we ame assL~nln~ number one, that nothing will happen. Granted, maybe it will never happen and I don't pretend to be an expert on fire protection but do testify to personal experience in llvin~ in an ap~b,~ent complex. (Unidentifiable voice, possibly ~. Schoneman's, who said that shouldn't we leave this to the Fire Depa~.bi~nt, and they would also make a meport that they would operate from. ) MD. Hackett stated the Fire Department did say they needed a certain width and at least approve the ordinance proveded -. (Voice: It will be there whatever the problem. ) Other than emphasize the traffic problems and the access problems, MD. Backett thought this was another thinK, that could be worked out better under a planned unit development. Maybe three accesses are needed in and out of there ar~ sc~e way closin~ off traffle at certaiK' hours of the day. He said he thouKht these people bad a valid compalint about two inte~sectlons within 108'. He said he was sur~ the reason why it was located that way ~as because that was the house that could ke purchased to provede the access ar~ for no other reason. Cx~tissioner Sehoneman stated when he o~3me here this eveni~ he had no knowledge of any of this and h< i~as trvir~ to gather as much infozmation as possible. He said this would be put together for the Council with the tape, etc. This would be furnished to Mayor Jarstad; there would be no decision tonilht but this is enlighte~h{r~ to him. v~. }L~ekett stated he had nothing more to present and theme were other people who wished to speak~ including Attorney Best. FURTHER OPPONENTS: ~. Jack Brown, President of First Metropolitan Prope~tles, I~.. He pointed out the lot which they ~wn, using, the map. He said he had [;£otested at the Planning Oo~mission. He said he asked they ~o back 250' and was still protestlr~ on that one. MD. Bz~wn sa/d he was quotLnK MD. Richardson and that the development would be subsidized housing. He sa/d he bad taken pi~ of subsidized housing in Seattle. He asked perm/sslon to pass these pictures to the Council for their viewln~. He spoke of the p~oblems that have occur%-ed in this housing. He said a~out half ware bearded up and ~an't get people to live in them. Mm. Stewax~ asked how subsidized housing affected this area. "~ pointed out the type of impact it would have; MD. Stewar~ asked fo~ clarification because he mnderstood from MD. Richa~dson's test/mony that the feasibility of this p~oject it would he ~ubsidized housing and he asked MD. Richardson if that was what he bad said. Mo. Richamdson stated RECESSED CITY COUNCi~ ~:~:~-rNC - October 16~ 197~ stated this ms not subsidized housing~ but that the only way to build single families would be subsidized housing,; but that the only r~ighbors would not want that. M~. -Brown stated he didn't imagine they would. He stated further that the City of Br~mel~ton does not have planned unit development and his request was that this mtte~ be tabled until the Council and the Planning Ozmmisslon could consider this area at this time~ C~,,[,~sslone~ Stewart stated the Council could control by restrictions and could tie the whole thing right down and then the only way the bulding Detroit could be issued would be by following the restrictions. M~. Stewar~ called to mind that restrictions have been placed on rezones since ha has been in office, such as green belt, accesses, etc. M~. Stewart con~nented he didn't know about planned unit development but considered could place restricitons on the re$one. Mr. Bro~l claimed unde~ R-2 zoning it would be instant ghetto. t-~. Stewart stated they can put a covenant on the property. ~-. Plescher stated he has h~rd this come up all night, planned unit develoImlent; that he did not believe in this. He said he had ~.orked with them over the past ten yea~s and found that planned unit development o~dinance many time actually works against the good of the c~',,~mity and act~ml ly works against a good development of a complex such as this. He stated 'further that he believes in Bellevue they are not even using, their planned unit develolwaent. Mr. Stated the City of Bellevue has gone into the teas estate busin [~r. Plescher stated no that more and mope people ~ finding that planned unit develoi~nent ordinances simply don't work. In lieu of a planned unit development the city ahs zone which allows 70 units per the acmea that can go 70' high. The dwelling units can go 70' high om six stories; but the thing that controls is, jsut as you stated, as a par~ of the approving of the ordinance emending~ the zone change, land use restrictions can be attached. The land use restrictions then act as a covmant rttnnlnK with the land. So regardless of who purchases the land, if Mr. Richardson sells it to ten different people, those restrictions still remain on it. So, in effect we have a unit development but not going, through the ordinance establishing the planned unit develotxnent. Cx~wnissioner Stewart asked if they could contzul the p~ope~ty to satisfy the people in this area; they would have an in-put into it. 1. Mr. Pleschem state this w~s might. Mr. B~own stated the city can't enfomce the covenancts. City Attortley k~lgr~n stated they could enforce the covenants. M~. B~c~ showed pictures of subsidized housing and pictures of planned unit development. Further discussion was held by Mr. Brown and M~. Ste~s~t as to whether a covenant could be enforced by the city and Mr. Brown stated an ownem could sue for a building permit if one was withheld. W~. Love asked what Mr. Brown's true motive was in coming in opposition; that he had been in favor. at a previous time. Mr. Brown stated he didn't have to an~m that; howeve, he would. He said that block was bought with idea of golng~ down that street and buying up those houses, but he heard about this othem and stopped; but they will still go ahead. Mr. Love mentioned scme pea-sons who wouldn't sell their proper~ to Mr. Brown. Mr. ~ stated he was not opposed to that proDe~ty being developed but he %~tnted to know what is goi~lg on; and he said he was against the 350' fr~m R-1 to B-3. He felt it wms too deep and it goies right back to the middle of the lot we have. He said this is where the dumpsters will wind up, might back in that corner, with the ~arbage. Mr. Ron Smith, 905 Pearl, relating, to the Enviror~ental Ih~pact Statement, it has some figures which differ with what Mr. Richardson stated ea~liem. He stated most of the vehicles would go oufc on ~A~eaton [4ay. The ~npact statement doesn't state that. Mm. Smith r~ad frcm the impact statement: 625 vehicles per day ape expected to be genel-ated withi~ the multi-family ar~a; 70% of the ingress ~1 egress is expected to utilize the Peaml Street access; thus 438 vehicles pep day will be added to the traffic on Pearl Street while 188 vehicles pep day will be added directly to Wheaton ~ay from the multi-family area. Of the 438 vehicles pe~ day added to Pearl Street, a small percentage will choose to tmavel west on Pearl, either to local destinations om in order to gain access to the signal at Wheaton Way. Mr. ~mlth stated he disagpeed with that as many othepe here have; that many Deople a~e going to go west. More people will go west than will go east, so they can circle around and take in the tmaffic light at Sylvan. If a tmafflc light is someday put on Peaml St., they will urobably ~o thatw~y; but as it stands now they wen't.t These figures a~e given in the impact statement are based on a 1968 traffic count by the State Highway Depa~.b~ent, taken on Pearl Street. The statement says the 1968 A.D.T. on Pearl west of Whsaton Way was 587 vehicles pe~ day. It is estimated that this figure has increased to S20 in 1974. In the lettem which I submitted in time to get it as part of the statement bepe, that is an increase of only 40 vehicles in a six-yearn period and with the gr~m~ch on the east side that figur~ is not realistic wbatsoevem. He believed it would be a far gre~tem than they have at present. He thought the 620 flgur~ is small$?and is much greater today. Mr. Stewart stated the pemeentage would be smallem. He stated the_ additional 4~;9 vehicles would result in a 72% increase and would bring that total A.D.T. on Pearl to an estJ3nated 1,069 vehicles per day. He stated this Mr. Richardson's impact statement prepared by the Planning Depat~h,ent and does not back up what he said earlier. (Mr. ~tith read frc~ S~mnary, Transportation, Impact Statement.) ~. ~qnith stated he lives directly across frcm the access street and he. has seen the traffic and knows the problems there and this will make itwor~e. He said the new street would be 115' curb to curb f£u,~ Bledsoe. He called attention to the dip on Pearl Street a~d stated this is very hazardous for walking, raiding a bicycle om going thI~u~h and is one of the worst in the City of Br~mezwcon. }~ noted that vehicles speed thmough there and the 25 MPH speed is not maintained. Most of the tmafflc is going through 30 to 35 MPH. Mr. Smith said he had lived on the street for seven years and he didn't see how the statement came up with the flgumes it did, because he believed the tmafflc has doubled at least. He said if they used the figures frcm the impact statement the total numbem of vehicles is going to be up to 1500 to 2000 vehicles pep day using that street. RECESSED CITY COUNCIL N~i;rING - October 16, 197~ Mm. ,~mith talked about the nearness of the access street to Bled~; that the~e WOuld be a d~iveway between the access and Bledsoe and his clPivew~y is rlg~t across the street. He said the dip is only a couple hundl~ed feet do%~ the ~oad and is vel~/ hazardous. Stated that kids go joyriding tbor~%~h there, especially at night and even on the weekends. A iot of them ecme through theme,at probably ~0 to 50 MPH~ that the z~ad acts as a ~ollem-eoastem effect and a g~-~l ~olled a ea~ a few yea~s If the t~affie could m~Intaln ~5 MPH would p~obably be all might and he did not believe the~e evem had been a concentrated effo~Wc to hold the speed down on Pea~i Street. M~. Smith said ~elating to his lettem sent in, and where the Planning Dept. has made a ~eply, he would make r~buttal to som~ of that. He read the Planning acknowledgement wherein it stated that frc~ the intemseetlon from Bledsoe and Pearl to the p~oposed access of the multi-family a~ea~ the distance is aDpr~tely 140 feet. He said he stated in his lettem 115'. THis distance includes half of the Bledsoe might-of-way. He did not include half of the Bledsoe might-of-way. His distances, he. sald~ were euPb to 'curb. The sight distance fr~m the Bledsoe-Pea~l intersection to the dip to the east is 880 feet. The sight distance fr~m the p~oposed access clPive to the dip is 240'. He said he ~ented a cap and brought the ca~ up the dip and at the point where a per,on could see down Pearl Street, ovem the hood of the cap as is ccmlng up the dip, we stopped and measured the distance f~u~ that point. It was 200'~ to where this access road is going to be. He quoted again' fr~m the planning data: These sight distances are eonsldePed to be adequate fop local streets such as Pearl. Mr. Smith stated with 25 MPH speed limit, yes. The way Peaml is now, no. There is no traffic control at Bledsoe and Pearl. rontrol at this intersection may ver~ well be a benefit should the proposed development become a reality. One thir~ that the reply does not mention and the enivDor~nental impact statemt~_nt does not mention any place is the additional hazard to children in the a~ea of Peapl ~gtPeet. This w~s pointed out in the lettem and there was no reply made in the ~acknowled~ment. It has not been incorpomated into this environmental impact statement whatsoever, and there ape lots of childmen playing up on Pearl. In the a~ea of the dlp~ at the bottom of the dip is 22' wide. Peanl Street itself, he believed it is 26', at about this intemsection point. If ther~ is one car pa~ked alongside the road~ you can just barely get two-way traffic past that cam. If there a~e tw~ cars pamked, one of each side of the ~oad, you do not have two-way tarffic through there. Co~mlissioner Stew~L~t asked him what the City could do to make this acceptable to him. He stated he is against going~ to multi-family dwellings in the a~ea. He said it should ~ single family. If they were to put single family in there and b~ing an access out on Wallin or one of the other streets, where thev came out s~k~ight onto the streets, he would be satisfied. Mr. St~ asked him if they dropped the access fr~m that ~ and put in nulti-family would he be satisfied with it. }~ said it would be bettem than what it is now but he wouldn't be happy with it. He said he would accept it, and he could live with it. The bi~ problem as Mr. Smith saw it he said was traffle control Putting the apa~.b~ents in the~e is not good in that a~ea. Would much ~athe~ see single family dwellings in there. He said using thei~ own figures, this traffic could be murder in that area, and he didn't want to see it. Bernadine Have~ 1112 Pearl. She said she realized she was one properWcy ownem that is ccmpletely trpped by the way this sits. She r~alized as far as the proper~y is concerned, as far as the bouse slttinK on that lot today is it is not a 20 or 30 thousand dollar residence. 5"ne stated they bought property when her husband retired from the Marine Cx~ps here with the idea that they would not be in debt for the ~est of thei~ lives but that they could fix it up. Someone mentioned the water dPainoff. She thought that C~,',~issloner Scbone~%n could look back on the city's records and find out how many times she had called asking something to be donw with the watem in front of the house because it drains back into rheim bas~nt which up to now would cost too much money to re-do. She ~ointed out on the map exactly where hep lot was located. Stated has Palsed tk~ee children and have ~aid their sha~e of taxes. She said they don't want a multi-pumpose ec~plex back there. She said they plan on retimlng in a couple mo~e years frc~ the shipyard and they would like to be able to .continue to live t~re. She said they have almost a fourth ael-e lot, that would be great for their 'gPandkids. They do hope to do sc~ething with the basement when something can be done with the stpeet, because it is a natul~ll drain. She said sc~eone had mentioned calling the police and that the police reco~s could be checked; that up to five yeaz~ ago had gr~at people in there but ton't have r~w and she has called the police as many as five times in one night. This concerns rental property. She said she womks at Ha~t"ison and arises at 6:00 and many times at ~:00 A.M. ~he is still awake fighting the tl~afflc that comes off with the fast ca~s and the metoPcycles going Jcm~ through; and she stated she was definitely against this. C~;~Jssione~ Stewamt asked how that ~ould affect them. She stated ~dy have that p~oblem and with ca~s coming at the back of thei~ Lot and caps coming in front of thei~ lot, they a~e so~t of tmapped, might in the middle of it. %nn Camlsoq,.~01~ Bledsoe, pointed out tbei~ place and said they were the ones who were going to be the h .a~e.s~t if go ou.t Wallin o~ Pearl: ~ mentioned they were in the Central School District and khe scnoo± muses come zn here and stop right mn front of thei~ house several times in the morning · nd in the after,anon and eamly evening,. The buses a~e loaded; thepe a~e many children going, in many ii~ections. She said Mr. Richardson had stated thepe was plenty of r~om. She stated there is a {a~ag, e and a house and there is not enough l~om; fu~them, that this road would be down their back ;ard. She said their concern was with the bus stops along there; until they come out here, they ,~n't see the little children until they ecme might to the ooPnem. She said she didn't want a r~ad ~wn her back yard. If he took out the house and the gamage, it would still be really close. ]9~tissionem Stewart asked if they didn't have that access in there wo~ld you be opposed to the x~perty development. She said she wasn't opposed but that her concern ~ss mainly to children :h~ough here. She stated there ar~ ten buses ~ in there and a bus at 6:30 P.M. RECESSF~ CITY ~OUNCIL kc;Er~g - October 16~ 1974 Wilbe~t A. G~aupmann, 605 N.W. 180th, Seattle, stated he owns the' property at 3606 Bledsoe Avenue, corner of Bu~ll and Bledsoe. He stated the entrance to the development is one of his main personal objections to the development because of the tmaffic going immediately behind his backvard fence, which M~. Richardson intends to use as a buffe~. This is on my property and has been ther~ for about twelve years. I don't believe it will be there much lon~em. If the access has to be there it should have a buffer zone of natural habitat to screen out the traffic the~, otherwise his backyard is goin~ to be totally unuseable. His house is valued as one of the most valuable in the area. It is appraised at thiz~-tw~ thousand. He said he would think with the number of cars going: in and out of this entrance and egress the propemty must be devalued by one-ha] if to sell as a single residence dwelling. He. sa~d he would say the same for the houses adjacent to him, C~rlson and the people living at the front. This road is supposed to carr~ about ?2% of the ca~s coming out of the a~ea. No way will these people try ot get on Wbeeton Way when they can go down Pearl and Pine and towards Sylvan. The~e is a single road leading to this cc~mercial develoIment and two exits from the commercial develo~nt but there is only one exit from the ~ltl-dwelling ar~. This would make his baekya~d c~upletely~unusable. This would cause air pollution, traffic on Pearl Street will be very heaVY. He stated it is too narrow to accomaodate that traffic and will eventually have to be widened. He said his driveway comes out frcm the proposed develo~nent into the access and he will be out on the stmeet before he can see traffic coming. Only other objection would be the density because of the additional housirM~. Even if apax~b~ents were going in, a fewer number would be bettem; and a sl/~et down the center would be better than ec~ming out the side, or one co~nem of the develo[~nent. Mr. Phillip Best, Attorney, Seabeck, representing Mr. Brown who has talked before, here tonight and who owns property adjacent to this property in question. He said he would like to point out what he thought were serious-questions as to whethe~ you should consider taking action on the matter as it stands now before you and whether this is really a necessary rezone for the purpose of the developer himself. He stated be w~uld go to the Envirormental Impact Statement which the Cx~uncil has adopted today which states in part with regard to the alternatives to the proposed action, "The property could be developed into approximately 50 lots which would meet the ~ninimum standards for either s~3~{le family or duplex construction. Thus the units which could be accomodated on a site under its current classification would be fz~m 50 to 100, depending on the site designation. There could also be fewer if the developer so desired." Now, he is now proposing with the ar~ which is 7.01 as~es, which is proposed to be rezoned from R-1 to R-2, 104 dwelling units. In other words, he already has under the present R-1 category the capacity legally to develop if he went all duplex 100 dwelling units. If he want all single family residence, he could develop fifty or a mixtume of the tM. So what he was suggesting was that it is questionalbe his prior statement is that he would only have about 24 dwelling units on the property if he went sir~,le family residence. It is highly questionalbe and that, in fact, he could achieve the zoning density he wants without the rezone. He said this leads into the next question of tbe question of modification of design so that he could have in effect what you might call cluster develotm~nt which is the kind of developnent he wants to do with the R-2 with the apa~.;.,mnts. He said that the Planning C~,,,.~slson at their last meeting, adopted a p~oposed ~ezone classification in the R-1 categor~ which would allow a 4800 square foot minim~n lot size in R-I, which you have now; but also would allow the capability of taking in a n~nber of ac~es and allowing to group the housing units so that over the total amount V~u were developing in you would have the density desired. The meason he w~s pointing this up was because it will be coming before the Council in the m_~ future for your consideration, and if you put this on ice, so to speak, until you took that into eonsiQeration and were to adopt that modification in the zoning ordinance, you w~uld be able to acc~w,'~lish essentially what he wants in R-1 categor~ without a rezone. P~misaioner Stewsrt c~,'~ented that might not be as desirable and it might be werme. Mm. Best a.,m-eed it may not be as desirable, that is true; but he ~s sugKestin~ this as something, that will be up for the Council's consideration, and should consider. With regard to the plan he has got now, what se~ people have brought up before, is the question of how it is going to be oonfigur~d in the a~ea, what the traffic pattern is goinM to be, what the. noise is goln~ to be, what the buffere will be, the esthetic things will be and all you have now is averv rough Kpaphic design. He said that normally in a eoni-~act situation, where you're tellin~ him that he can have this density ~f you develop it like this, you have a much ~-meater de~ree of specificity in the sense of what actually is being planned, thinks that you can hold hJ3n to, not .~ust scme pr~tt~ little swi~ls of green on his develotxaent where a tree might not or might be, etc. What he was suggesting along this line is that none of the proposals that have come from the developer in terms of what he w0uldhave in the way of ammenities to offset some of these advemse effects which are listed in Kmeat detail in the envirormental impact statement are in a situation where you can actually entm~Pate them in terms of what plx~tection you have and require them as conditions. There was some question in his mind Mr. Best said~ as to the enforceability of contmact zoning; although I know that the city has used it in the past. But if the city wePe to use, he suggested that we need much more detail than'we have now and suggested that if the city wishes to use this line to protect these people that you may ask the developers to come. back with much more detail so that you can say, "0.~. these a~e what we think we need fop protection, and these ~ the things that we a~e going to ~equiPe." So fan, Mr. Best said the city is not in that position. RECESSED CITY COUNCIL ~%~r±NG - October 16~ 1974 Con~nissioner Stewart said he WOuld llke to have the people tell us what they WOuld llke to have and that he had asked this question seve~ tlm~s tonight. Mm, Best stated it was difficult to . do at a hea~ing, llke this; that he thought they WOuld have to aske the developep in what exac~tly he is planning so that we can say what we need. Cx~ssione~ Stewart asked again why didn't the controls already mentioned satisfy and what WOuld they want, F~. Best stated he hadn't had a chance to review these themselves and the tmaffic impact that would be generated; but he reviewed the E.I.S. to know what kind of tr~affic pattern you a~e talking about, what kind of nosie levels that you ape talking, about~ what kind of othep advePse effects. He said that looking at the trade-offs to which the E.I.S. is prepared so that Vou might have something to weiF~ and is to be used as a decision-making tool~ the~e are only three positive impacts that he could see. They are Numbers 16 ~ 17 and 18. P~ovisions for needed housing units to the Bmem~ton Market, taxes being realized fr~m the site will increase, and short-term construction employment opportunities and long-term employment oppoz%hnzltles will be c~eated. Against this we have the p~evlously listed fifteen adverse impacts on the eultumal envi~orm~nt, plus thlr~een advePse impacts on the natural envlrorment which follow. He said if you analyze these tmade-offs they ape. not ver~y impressive in favor of allowing the develoim~nt, The question l~m~ins of whethep he needs the ~ezone he is asking for, in u~-ode~ to aeo~lish his ends let alone the ends the city might desire. As to the R-3 category, he said he r~alized that this is becoming a strip zone along. Wheaton Way~ that the plans are_ to widen Wheaton Way to allow t~affic to flow through and still se~vlce these places; but as this is done, you must bear in mind whether this is ~lly ~eflective of the basic goals the_ citv has. The City Council, he said he believes, is the official agency which could in effect propose a plan for the pedeveloF~ent for downtown Bremerton and a g~oup called B~emerTon Tc~nor~m4, of which you a~e all well aware, is pzuposing that. Yet it is his impmession that the continuation of the strip of B-3 and ~elatlvely large ar~as (now this isn't as large as some others) it is 2.67 acPes which is ~elatively lapge in the sense of ec~a~rcial activity; and especially as wa ~elate it to all the other activity that is ecmLng along the~e and the depth that they wish, that you ape in effect perpetuating, a situation which .is adverse to the ver~ thing you ape. tr~;]ng to create which is the r~-habilitatlon of downtown B~em~a~ton. He asked that this be taken into considepatlon and, also, take into considepation the fact that ther~ is a neighbor- hood planning group out that way. THis is the citizen planning group called the Sheridan Neighbor- hood Planning Co~mllttee. This has been %Drking ~ather diligently and he thought it had been before the Council on some occasions and certainly has bean wo~klng with the City Plannlng~ Co~mission. That co~tittee hasn't had a chance to look at this in the sense as to how it fits with their over-all objectives because they a~e just wol4~_ing theip over~all goals and ob.iectives. This is the kind of citizen in-put that you wish. Citizens ~ho aren't directly concer~ed but ape concerned about the whole a_~ea, like you aPe~ only of mope speelfic aPea of thei~ concern. ,gu~ested that this committee be allowed to Pespond to the proposal, and that the Council look at it in the light of the on-going goals and plans that they have fop theip aPea. THink it would be a mistake to pe.-r~etuate this. Gon~zissioner Schoneman asked about the committee. M~. PlescheP answered that it was a group of people in the Shemldan Neighborhood that they had continued to meet with h.~m since ~ezone c~,es and annexation. Pat C~%Pey is chairman. The ar~a is west of )heaton Wav. _thug. Booth is east of Wheaton Way. ~. Best stated this was a group in the cowry that is i-tying to balance the u~ban a~ea.~ M~. Plescher explained the gl~ouD has continued to meet sin~e sc~ne o~dlnance changes and the controver.~ial proposed annexation. The g~oup on the east side of Wheaton Way is called the View Ridge Neighborhood. M~. Richardson asked haw did the Sheridan group fit in the planning of his ma~ticulal~ a~ea. M~ PlescheP stated they haven't firmed up anything yet. Still haven't come up with anything ~a_lly affirmative and they a~e still tr~ing to develop this plan. Mm. Stewar~ stated they could have been here tonight and MP. S~honeman ~eite. Pated thepe was no one p~esent f£o%~ that co, tree. He said if they had any pa~ti~ula~ interest they would have been represented tonight. MP. Best stated the other point he has is to emphasize as strongly as possible the importance Peza~ding the B-3 portion, the importance of minimizing the p~ollfepation of the syst~ of bu~inesse~ along Wheaton Way~ which wuld in effect be a der~gatlon fr~m the plans of which the Cx)uncll is a vital pa~t in rehabilitating the downtown Bx~merton. If we a~e in the p~ocess of applyir~ for funds frem the fedepal gover~,',~nt for that purpose or even studying that pu~po, se, it appeaped to him that this body would on the one hand would be saylng~ '"les, we want to rehabilitate downt~n BremerTon and on the otheP hand taking action which in effect confillcts with that. Mrs. E~ma Bedilion, 813 Hanford, pointed out hep home on the map and said that her backya~d would be virtually next to three om fou~ story building looking down on thei~ back yard. She said they had their home built and added to it in 1961 before the street was cut through; that they went out in orde~ to get away fr~m apax'.b,ent a3~eas. Like many others have spent thousands on thei~ baekyard and it is very Private. She said all backya~ds would be affected; a~out 32 hc~es would be directly affected. She mentioned the petition which opposed the ~ezone. She didn't see how so many against it and two ro three going to benefit by the development. She said she would be fop single hemes. Mm. Stewart cc~ented that they could put in 100 units, two-stor~, in there Pight now. MP. Stewart stated they could put in 50 buildings vs 10g units they have p~oposed and the city would have no contmol in this at all and they would have no in-put. He said he wanted them to be pal-t of the alte/anatives and if you did do it this way they could control the zone and have some in-put. Mm. Schoneman stated if duplexes they could put in 50 duplexes o~ 100 units. He spoke of the loss of open _space and that all trees WOuld be taken; that the anltre ~ would have to be cleaPed in oPder to place duplexes. MP. Ste~_wt stated the city could put a covenant on the Pezone with structur~.s, green belt~ etc. and could c6ntrol it. Mm. Sehoneman eu,,~.nted that do have control as long as have proper squape footage but would have no control oveP g~een belt ~ etc. M~. Richardson RECESSED CITY 00UNCIL h>:~:L'.LN~ - 0ctobep 16, 1974 stated that the buildings he p~oposed would be ~sto~y with ei.F~Ht units in each. ~/~; Schoneman stated they could have duplexes on the ~ elevation and ~. Ste~sPt e~,,,~nted that the alternative could be worse, and if put in mezone with oont~ols you could have scme in-put. Mrs. Bed~_lion stated she had one ~equest, that if it Ko~s in put a fer~e and enclose the entire amea by a fence; that this is important. She sa~d she was thoroughly opposed except fop slnKle family housing.. Ray Hamlin, 4020 Bledsoe, stated he has not objected to the construction in the back but he is concer~ed with the hack road; that they ape landlocked but the ~esidents would be ~oad-blocked. He said that Pearl Street is not the place fop an ~nt~y. He had a ~50.00 accident recently, because of visibility at the bottcm of the dip, He sa~d traffic would run blind from the diD to the access road. He said that scmethinK was goin~ in to the FA~ope~ty and if they went along with the ~esidents don't see a~.y problems. Also spoke of fence ~equiPement. John Hermifield, 749 Pearl Street, asked a question.~ that he' undemstood could not get a mezone nearby because of a strip of houses alonK Pear1 and along Sylvan. ~. Ple~chem stated the Council passed an O~ce but it is belr~ contested in cou~t, M~. MerTifleld asked ~_f it was t~u that the developer is not z~noving the house and ga~e, that they ape proposing to leaving the garage and a large house the~e. He said he ~ ~maet sympathy fop people who will have a road on the back; that it will he dangerous in hack. He said the~e is fairly high demsity of traffic at Bledsoe and Peanl. }~ said he is a meser%~ captain on the Police Dept. fop nine yea~s, has lived there, seven years and felt s~mewhat justified in his eo~nents; that he ~eally doubted that C~ptaln .qt~atton oP SKt Gingrey have sta~ed out the~e to watch the intemsection. Theme is ver~ limited vision. Speed is no way 25 MPH. Be didn't see how they could posslblv say the~e is fT~ problem. The~e would be ~ mjo~ intel"sections with 150 feet, Pearl 8 Bledsoe and Pearl and the access road. Lowell Lindstr~m, 920 Pear1, stated he lived at the top of the diD, knows the truffle on Pearl and the dip does give a rc~ep coaster effect and that anyone backing out of his drive cannot see either way. He is opposed to this outlet on Pearl; too c~gested and Peaml is too nart~ow. It has already been pointed out that t~affic would head west over wheme the traffic light is now. He said theme is going to be requi~ed a light Pearl to handle the tmafflc. P~esently, he didn't see how it could handle the tmafflc. He said he bas two childmen who did catch a bus across Wheaton Way; now, because it is so dangerous they have to go down to Pine Road because of t-~affic. He said he ~uld like to see sin~.le c~elllngs om duplexes. Ron Sowers, 737 Peaml Street, spoke against the statistics compiled by Bo~ess-Rieha~dson; he had talked about puttin~ 100 thousand dollars sln~le family dwellings in theme to make a profit. Be said he really sincerely doubt it. }{e sa~d he thought this was a cheap shot, t~vin~ to put that kind of in-put in here hefo~e a c~,t~ssion like th~s, when we find out he can put 100 units in there, as opposed to 104. Be didn't think he was being fair on this rezone issue. The second thinK, he spoke about, was the t~affic access. THe thimd thinK he asked was how much opposlt~on going to need frc~ people sur~o~ndin~ in o~deP to make a cohement decision. He saldhe thought the petition of 158 si~na~s of people, and their intemest, should give the CDuncil a pretty good idea of what most of the people feel. We a~e leaning to an R-1; mainly because he bad lived in multi-unit places, meanin~ eight, ten~ twelve. I' is a little different on the east coast than here; but people unless they own their home,'they have less desime to make it look pmesentable and nice. They live theme, go to work ~ Ko hcme, and that is about all they do. It has been his expemlence that it gets pr~messively worse. THe meme units put in a building, the less people a~e goin~ to care about it. Also, he said he hasn't heand oP seen any plan as to upkeep and m~ntenanee. He hasn't told exactly what he is going to do. Be said he wants to talk to the people. Well, this is the only place he has ever talked with h~m~ but he doesn't come to ask me but I have to look h~m up at a ~ezone Beaming to talke to him. Yet he w~nts to u~pk with me on th~s. He said he was leery about gl~lntln~ him rezone and he mec~,,~nded the Council deny the mezone. M~. Stewart stated the testln,~ny urill be weighed. ~. P~icha~dson stated have beard f~ the opposition four times tonight and it se~ms llke a lot of opposition but he suspected ve~v few people amc represented in this opposiiion. He said he fel~ the P~)uncll already knew which opPOsitions a~e valid and which are not and will eeme up with the best conclusion. It is a natural thing to oppose and to he oonce~ned because of the unknown. Relating to La%~/ep Haekett, he had spoked about his lack of experience and background on meal estat financing, developing, etc. ~. Richardson spoke of the various state end city. deDaz.b,~nts that h~ in-put and stated" the Council should look to the future of Breme~ton. ' .~one spoke that N. Pe~ Water ~mestmlcted to ever~; other day at certain times; howeveP~ H~. Schoneman ~ecounted the city's de~l/nKs with N. Pe~r~ Distmict and thmt th~ouK..h an exchange ~teP ~11 be made available by the city to a~eas within the city.